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Pokémon transliteration[edit]

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Proposed MoS addition on optional stress marking in Japanese, Korean, Russian, Ukrainian, etc.[edit]

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Please see: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#RfC?, for a proposal relating to optional characters/marks for indicating vocal stress, used in some foreign languages, include "ruby" characters for Japanese and Korean, and znaki udareniya marks in Ukrainian and Russian. The short version is that, based on a rule already long found in MOS:JAPAN and consonant with WP:NOTDICT policy, MoS would instruct (in MOS:FOREIGN) not to use these marks (primarily intended for pedagogical purposes) except in unusual circumstances, like direct quotation, or discussion of the marks themselves. Target date for implementation is April 21. PS: This does not relate to Vietnamese tone marks. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 19:41, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[]

Name order[edit]

I would like the revive the debate about name order. I don't know when or how this happened, but the present section on this subject is woefully inadequate. It presently reads:

In all cases, the spelling and name order used (for the title, and within the article body) should be that most commonly used in reliable, third-party English-language sources (encyclopedias, newspapers, magazines, academic books, academic journals, etc.) per WP:TITLE. If no one form can be determined to be the most common, follow the guidance given below.

The problem is that there is no 'guidance below' on the subject of name order. It seems like it was removed, at some point. Basically, this guideline provides no guidance anymore. It goes on to talk about the 'form' of the name, not the name order, then finishes with 'If none of the above is available, use the macronned form', failing to specify the default name order at all. I think, very simply, we should adopt the following proposal to replace point 5 in the 'modern names' section:

If no one form can be determined to be the most common, default to the modified Hepburn romanisation and Japanese name order.

How does anyone feel about this? RGloucester — ☎ 18:21, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[]

I think that works. However, I have another burning question about name order, relating to a problem that I'm running into. With articles that mention multiple Japanese people (as many do), some of whom commonly are referred to by Western name order and some of whom are commonly referred to by Japanese name order (or are not referred to frequently), are we then supposed to switch between Japanese and Western name order? Or would it be better (and this is my thinking) to keep a consistent name order throughout the article, except for possibly people who work in international contexts so much that they almost exclusively go by one order? Sandtalon (talk) 08:22, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Help:Japanese#Japanese names provides a very clear rule that I think would do well here: the names of persons born after the Meiji Restoration should be "First Last" by default, unless there is an overwhelming usage to the contrary in sources (which is very, very rare). This rule already appears to be implemented on widespread scale in Japan-related articles. It is basically the same rule with how we handle romanizations of words, modified Hepburn by default unless there is overwhelming usage to the contrary (rare). — Goszei (talk) 09:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Considering that the directive of the Japanese government is for western media to now use the tradition eastern naming convention, if our only source of the name is in the eastern usage, why would Wikipedia continue use the western order, especially as contradicting the source material isn't encyclopedic? Lympathy ^Talk 21:47, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[]

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