Talk:Neoconservatism

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Post-Neoconservative era[edit]

Political monitors throughout the early 21st century have been preparing for a post-Neoconservative American era.[1][2]

References[edit]

  1. ^ "After Neoconservatism", FRANCIS FUKUYAMA. New York Times. February 19, 2006. Accessed June 8, 2011
  2. ^ "A Post Neo-Conservative Foreign Policy", Don McKinnon. Commonwealth Secretariat. June 19, 2007. Accessed June 8, 2011

Inclusion of Oriana Fallaci on list of neoconservatives.[edit]

The inclusion of Oriana Fallaci on this list seems wrong to me. She was not associated closely with any of the other movement neoconservatives. During the time that the neoconservative was completely focused on the projection of American power abroad and the Iraq war she wrote mostly about domestic issues in Italy, in Italian! She properly fits into the European New Right, a group which is at odds with the Neoconservative movemnet much more than they agree with them.

I'm un-clear on the process which was used to assemble this list but I would like to start a discussion about removing Fallaci. She is deceased and can not speak for herself on this matter, so extra care devolves to the editors to not mischaracterize her. Have no doubt that for many people this is a rogues gallery, and so including people here can be seen as a risk for score settling and mischief making in character destruction and ongoing political disputes.

meta for Google[edit]

For whatever reason, when one Google's "neoconservative", the abstract that pops up under the Wikipedia link reads:

"Neoconservatism (commonly shortened to neocon) is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among conservative leaning Democrats who became disenchanted with the party's foreign policy."

~~luxdsg~~

Ben Shapiro is not a neocon.[edit]

He said so himself on Dave Rubin's show (29:32 Trump, Trans, Religion, Abortion, and Tax Cuts | Ben Shapiro | POLITICS | Rubin Report posted on Jan 3, 2018). Over the years I have seen a lot of problems with that section of the page, if you want to label and add anyone here do so after you have info where they describe themselves as such, not when someone else does that for them. And make sure to check your sources, because they have their own agenda and biases and some don't even qualify at all, once I saw InfoWars as a source here for a lot of people described as neocons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.125.242.213 (talk) 13:29, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[]

if you want to label and add anyone here do so after you have info where they describe themselves as such, not when someone else does that for them.

By that standard, Adam Smith wasn't a classical liberal; he never described himself as such. Guarapiranga (talk) 19:48, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[]
That's debatable and my main point stands without it, because Shapiro isn't a neocon by definition and he specifically says he is not one (in the video that I "linked" and you didn't watch). So, if you like to keep false info here I can't do much. There are other people that shouldn't be here, but for now I hope the Shapiro issue is resolved. 37.25.87.226 (talk) 00:00, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[]
1. Shapiro isn't a neocon by definition
2. He specifically says he is not one
These are two different arguments. The 1st one is valid, the 2nd one isn't.

in the video that I "linked" and you didn't watch

Can you prove your assertions? Guarapiranga (talk) 01:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[]
Actually he wasn't. His economic theories were selectively adopted by classical liberals. I would remove Shapiro because he is not significant to neoconservatism. TFD (talk) 08:36, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[]
Then you should remove him from here. Guarapiranga (talk) 19:39, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[]

Conservative liberalism related?[edit]

My first visit to the Neoconservatism article, I'd like to point out to regular editors here that this line appears in the intro of the Conservative liberalism article...

Neoconservatism has also been identified as an ideological relative or twin to conservative liberalism,[4]...

...but the Neoconservatism article makes no similar mention, which left me wondering if it was true or not. I came to this article via that link. 5Q5|✉ 13:54, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[]

Poor sources under "Notable people associated with neoconservatism" section[edit]

I have removed some entries and cites under the "Notable people associated with neoconservatism" section. Some of the references here were pretty bad: blogs and op-eds (from HuffPo, Reason, etc.), and the like. The Neoconservative movement has been covered extensively in good sources (like books published by university presses) and there is no reason to use these bottom-of-the-barrel websites. Some that I removed are straight-up fringe - "newswithviews.com" and "thenewamerican.com" are two examples. These are not good sources in any case, and especially not for BLP-related material. Neutralitytalk 13:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[]

I find the reference to "anti-anticommunism" in the article confusing, although the point being made is a valid one. It took me 30 seconds to unravel that one as I'm not as smart as someone like Podhoretz. The sentence containing that term should be rewritten.184.180.87.188 (talk) 07:20, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[]

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