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External links order[edit]

I have re-ordered the links for appropriateness; the official website of the king should be placed at the top of the list. I removed a duplicate link to the king's website and altered a link that pointed to a personal blog (POV) to point to the referenced Washington Post article. - Cybjorg 07:45, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Frequent unexplained removal of image[edit]

Can someone explain why the subject's picture (File:The King of Jordan in 2013.jpg) keeps getting removed? The image is appropriately licensed and does not violate any other policies that I'm aware of. I'm not going to restore the image because I have done so once already and was reverted again, but I will do so if, after a reasonable amount of time after opening this discussion, no legitimate reason to remove the image has been put forward. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 20:21, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Of course you should restore it. "Removed an image" is hardly a justification for, well, removing an image - especially when the image is the article's best. Surtsicna (talk) 20:30, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
I've restored it a bunch of times already over the past few weeks. In order to avoid edit warring, I wanted to see if there was something I was missing. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 20:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

spelling error[edit]

in 2nd paragraph:

"Abdullah, was born to Hussein from his second wife, the ethically British Princess Muna al-Hussein. He was named as crown prince shortly after his birth"

I believe, the word "ethically" should be "ethnically"


Lak100 (talk) 15:19, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Agree. Edit if possible.--88.104.137.223 (talk) 12:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Hadith[edit]

What about the hadith? http://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/some-shiite-muslims-wonder-if-saudi-kings-death-means-the-imam-mahdi-must-now-arise/ http://www.askthesheikh.com/hadith-about-the-death-of-abdullah-of-hijaz-and-the-reappearance-of-imam-mahdi-are-they-authentic/ https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/12373.19.0.0/religion/islam/king-abdullahs-death-fulfills-end-time-prophecies-say-some-shiites http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/01/iran-saudi-arabia-king-abdullah-end-times.html http://blog.godreports.com/2015/01/death-of-king-abdullah-is-prophetic-trigger-for-attack-on-israel-return-of-islamic-messiah-irans-leadership-believes/ https://khalifa2021.wordpress.com/tag/king-abdullah-death/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/64462-imam-sadiqsas-saying-about-king-abdullah/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235030281-king-abdullah-of-jordan-sufyani/ http://m.harunyahya.com/tr/Short%20videos%20-%20Don/100503/Errors-of-Irans-propaganda-film-about-the-coming-of-Hazrat-Mahdi-(pbuh)-The-coming-is-upon-us http://www.yanabi.com/index.php?/topic/430826-death-of-king-abdullah-one-of-the-signs-of-imam-mahdi-as/ --88.104.137.223 (talk) 12:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

ARchive[edit]

Can we get one please?--88.104.137.223 (talk) 12:49, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

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The article about King Abdullah II is extremley biased against this Arab leader and the entire Jordanian government. The article focuses on irrelavant rumors and controversies rather then giving a basic biography of his leadership and career.

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Bad Bias[edit]

I didn't get past the intro section at the top of the page before I stopped reading it for its obvious and unacceptable bias. Here's what stood out to me:

> Abdullah is widely popular both locally and internationally for having maintained Jordan's stability despite overwhelming odds.

He's widely popular internationally? Funny, given that I didn't know his name until right before I clicked on the link to his article. And he has supposedly maintained Jordan's stability against overwhelming odds, while neither the degree to which stability has been maintained, nor how bad the odds were, nor what he did to make that happen—none of those things is clarified. It's just vaguely worded praise.

Then, far worse:

> He is well-known for promoting peace, interfaith dialogue and the true message of Islam.

Again, no, he's not "well-known" for these various nice things. Most glaringly, though, while I'm not a practitioner of the Muslim faith, I'm sure that there are millions of people who would dispute that what this man claims is the "true message of Islam".

The author of this text might truly believe these things, but these statements are clearly very biased, very non-objective statements, and I think they very clearly violate Wikipedia's non-POV policies. And, since I didn't get past reading the schlock at the top of the page, I can only imagine what the people above me here are complaining about with bad bias in the body of the article. I think the POV sections should be rewritten from a more objective perspective. --98.213.54.240 (talk) 23:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

They should be. I got busy and couldn't continue editing the article. Here's the source used http://themuslim500.com/profile/king-abdullah-ii-jordan , it should be mentioned who made these claims. Suggestions on how to improve the text are obviously welcomed. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:58, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Chronology[edit]

@Chipmunkdavis: I am having trouble trying to find a suitable way to organize the content in the article. Any ideas?Makeandtoss (talk) 14:21, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey Makeandtoss, any specific issues? At a brief look, this looks somewhat similar to Elizabeth II, which is a well-watched FA (and as far as I can tell the only FA of a living Monarch). That suggests to me that this article is generally on the right path. My initial thoughts are whether it might be reasonable to split off information about Abdullah's more personal life and career from information about his initiatives and views. A bit complicated given his role in government, but may make this article cleaner. CMD (talk) 16:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
I did take a look previously at Elizabeth II, but I would suppose its a bit different in this case given that Elizabeth as a monarch, has no constitutional powers. Her article focuses on stories, which are easy to order in a chronological way. But with Abdullah, its really tricky. For example in the "Early reign" section, I added content that he established KADDB in his first year, then since we mentioned the military, I went further and added information on how he modernized the army later on, and now we are talking 2000-2016 in the place where its supposed to focus on his first year (1999). Also, is it appropriate to add pictures of, for example, a wind farm he inaugurated? Or a refugee camp built during his reign? Or does the biography need to only contain his own pictures? (which are rare to find on wiki) Makeandtoss (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Indeed different, but seems the closest fit. Alternatively, see Suleiman the Magnificent. This to some extent has done what I suggested, which is splitting the timeline of events in his life from "Administrative Reforms" and "Cultural Achievements". Given Abdullah II is a modern monarch and we have a lot more information at hand, we can be much more specific than those rather generic titles. I would, for example, recommend creating a section on "Military reforms" to hold the information you address above. I would also suggest a section on "Religious actions" covering the interfaith dialogue information, guardianship over Al-Aqsa, and other relevant information, along with "Political and economic reforms". Further I think there should be a section on "Constitutional role" which covers the extent of his powers and responsibilities.
Images can be added to complement the text they appear with, and do not have to just be photos of him (although those will likely be most interesting to the reader). However, don't add images just because they're relevant, only add images if there is space (ie. they won't overlap with another image on the same side or sandwich text between them with an image on the other side). More details at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images. I see no issues with the images on the article at the moment. CMD (talk) 04:52, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
That was helpful, thanks. Makeandtoss (talk) 02:10, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

GA nomination[edit]

Nominated the article for GA. Should there be a section for "public perception and character", and how do I find sources for that? Makeandtoss (talk) 02:24, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis:, @Al Ameer son:, was wondering if any of you have the time and interest to review this GA, or perhaps even some constructive criticism? Makeandtoss (talk) 13:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
@Makeandtoss: I'm taking a break from editing for the time being. I'd recommend you list this at the Copyeditor's Guild for prose and grammar improvement though. Good luck! --Al Ameer (talk) 22:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Already done that. Thanks Makeandtoss (talk) 12:03, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
The article is not balanced. His records in human right violations, his secret police brutal tortures and oppressive tactics, criticisms of his families' excessive privileges are not mentioned properly.Behzad.Modares (talk) 16:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
If you have any article that makes a connection between any of these and Abdullah, then feel free to add them. Makeandtoss (talk) 19:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Very humorous, the content about Russian roulette. I wonder what personal qualities one would need to understand that this story is a complete fabrication. The other content you added makes no connection between Abdullah and the infringements. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:11, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Really! Abdullah is the absolute dictator of the country! All this human right issues and oppressive measures has nothing to do with him!? Regarding the Russian roulette, the victims testified in EU parliaments and the UN human right representative raised this issue. Seriously we need to balance this article and we cannot whitewash a dictator! Otherwise, I have to put a neutrality flag on top of this article Behzad.Modares (talk) 19:48, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
You have obviously no understanding of the Jordanian politics. Please don't mention the Russian roulette story again cause its just plainly too dumb, anyone with a sane functioning brain can easily determine that adwnews.com is a fake news website. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:16, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
The content other than the Russian roulette BS is unrelated. You can't just blame him for every wrongdoing, neither you can credit him for every achievement in the country. The content has to make a direct connection, ex: an accusation/appeal to Abdullah from a reliable source. Not from some propaganda website. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:26, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
In this article, you have credited him for every achievement of Jordan but every wrongdoing is sb else fault! How come he cannot be considered responsible for human rights violations of the security and armed forces while he is the chief commander of arm forces! Come on! Free world cannot buy this argument! This whitewashing justifications only make sense to people who use to live under dictatorship regimes!
And wait! The UN commissioner and EU parliament take the allegations seriously. Do not say it is laughable for everybody! Apparently they did not laugh! Behzad.Modares (talk) 20:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
I did not credit him for every achievement, the sources did, reliable ones. The UN commissioner and the EU parliament DID NOT make any statements on a dubious Russian roulette nonsense. Its fake.

Here you go, I can create my own website and say "King Abdullah ordered the assassination of Wikipedia user Behzad.Modares, where the EU parliament was quick to foil the plot". Now did the EU parliament really do that? It just needs a TINY bit of logic. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:05, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

For the stability part there are tons of sources; [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. The most influential Muslim is themuslim500.com's rating, as seen by the wiki link produced. Please stop from destructive editing, note the WP:3RR restrictions. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:11, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

This information for themusim500 is irrelevant. This site has no authority to make such a bold statement. This site cannot represent the world opinion about the King Abdullah.Behzad.Modares (talk) 22:21, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Fake News! It seems that you watch Trump a lot these days!
Also, Please cooperate. I just came across this article by accident and was surprised how bad the article is! For now I just want to make some minor changes to change the disastrous tone of the article. If you refuse to cooperate, I have to go through the whole article, checking all references and remove all propaganda and whitewashing information and adding more materials to balance the article Behzad.Modares (talk) 22:28, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss: I was going to do a copy edit, but I only made it through the lead. You have serious issues. I reverted the edit because I just wanted to mark the problems. You can review them here. But take heed of the tags for improvement. Pay attention to WP:WEASEL, WP:LEAD and especially WP:EXCEPTIONAL. Use phrases like "claims descendancy." —አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 12:33, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Also, the article has some copyright violation issues: Check this out. I understand alot are just quotes, names of schools, organizations and titles. However, there are some serious violations to be rewritten and cleaned. —አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 13:22, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

@Janweh64: Thank you for the comments. But the descent part for example is recognized internationally, and isn't something like an unfounded claim. I will work on the tags and the copyright issues, I think they're probably just concentrated in the lead. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:46, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
He is the custodian of the Muslim and Christian holy sites in Jerusalem,[neutrality is disputed] a position his ancestors held for decades.[citation needed] Abdullah is the third longest-serving Arab leader.[citation needed]. Why is neutrality disputed? The citation needed tags for the content is present elsewhere in the article. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:58, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not care what you think or what the world thinks, only what you can prove with reliable sources. "Recognized internationally" by whom? I am not say delete it. I am saying clearly cite who recognizes him as descended from said people. Look at Elizabeth I of England, for example. Any claims that are exceptional are cited.
Those are exceptional and potentially controversial claims. According WP:LEAD, you have to cite them, even in the lead. Think about it. You are claiming that a Muslim man is custodian of a holy site in Jerusalem. You have to see how that can be controversial. I am not saying it does not belong. It just needs exceptional reliable sources to prove. What does "custodian" even mean? If that is the official term, the source needs to indicate it.—አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 15:30, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
I checked potential copyright violations. Fixed issues you mentioned and added sources to lead. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:41, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Information like the world praise him for that or he is number one in the world is WP:WEASEL and should be deleted. Behzad.Modares (talk) 16:40, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Fixed a few, if you would be kind enough to point out if I missed more. There's no proof that Khasawneh resigned due to "palace interventions", two scenarios are laid out in this article, none of which support what you claimed through an unaccessible online book. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:22, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Materials are supported by the source. Do not remove sourced materials. I understand your affection for your king but your affection has no place here. You cannot delete materials you do not like.Behzad.Modares (talk) 14:17, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Can you demonstrate that the source supports whatever you wrote? Or are you just going to keep on like this? Makeandtoss (talk) 21:00, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Sure, I will pick up the book and quote the book sometimes tonight or SaturdayBehzad.Modares (talk) 23:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
And how exactly do we know your quoting the book correctly? Makeandtoss (talk) 00:13, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
Most sources do not agree with what you are trying to add. [6], [7], [8], [9]. Makeandtoss (talk) 00:32, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

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RfC, section: Regional turmoil (2014 - present)[edit]

There is no consensus to include this information. Cunard (talk) 23:47, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
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Can we please get a general response by Wikipedia editors if it is worthy of mentioning the following anecdote in this article, in the section entitled: "Regional turmoil (2014–present)"?

On 7 August 2017, King Abdullah visited the Head of the Palestinian Authority, Abu Mazen, in Ramallah to discus regional issues, and the current stalemate. This visit marked the first for the king in five years.[1]

SOURCE:

  • [1] Sawafta, Ali (7 August 2017). "Jordan's King Abdullah discusses holy site tensions in Ramallah". Reuters. Retrieved 7 August 2017. Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Hopefully, we'll get some input as to its relevance or irrelevance.Davidbena (talk) 10:17, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Agree to adding this anecdote.Davidbena (talk) 10:18, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose adding this anecdote, largely because no relevance is demonstrated for what appears to be fairly trivial. Pincrete (talk) 14:11, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose I see nothing of significance. --Makeandtoss (talk) 14:43, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Include and expand - in particular his role regarding 2017 Temple Mount crisis and 2017 Amman incident which occurred prior to this visit with quite a bit of his involvement.Icewhiz (talk) 14:06, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Seem like minutiae trivia. What is its purpose in the article? Let's see in six months if someone remembers Abdullah's visit. I wouldn't count it. ImTheIP (talk) 18:49, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Include Yes, the text should be included. Damotclese (talk) 00:37, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose? - I mean... if that's literally all the context there is to be had there, then it doesn't seem to serve any real apparent purpose. If there's some additional context, like this meeting accomplished something significant, then it might belong. Otherwise, agree with the above that this is probably WP:TRIVIA. GMGtalk 17:41, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
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Lead[edit]

    • "The ruler of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed Al-Maktoum, is married to Abdullah's half-sister Princess Haya." Is this important enough to be included in the lead? It's not really about Abdullah II directly. Stedil (talk) 23:02, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Early Life[edit]

    • "Abdullah was born on 30 January 1962 in Amman, to King Hussein during Hussein's marriage to his British-born second wife, Princess Muna Al-Hussein." The BBC source only says 1962; it doesn't say the specific day, or the location. It mentions the second wife is British-born, but refers to her by her European name. Is there a source that provides the missing information here?
    • "He is the namesake of his great-grandfather, Abdullah I, who founded modern Jordan." His official profile, the source cited here, doesn't say anything about his great grandfather. This source should be replaced.
    • "The Hashemites ruled Mecca for over 700 years—until the House of Saud conquered Mecca in 1925—and have ruled Jordan since 1921." This is historical information. Is there a more scholarly cite than CNN that can be used for this information? I mention this because there are some inconsistencies in the CNN story - while the war ended in 1925, I've seen other sources say that the Battle of Mecca was in 1924. The CNN source also lists the beginning of the Hashemite rule of Jordan as 1920, not 1921. "Over 700 years" Is non-specific. Is more precise dating available?
    • "The Hashemites, the oldest ruling dynasty in the Muslim world, are the second-oldest-ruling dynasty in the world (after the Imperial House of Japan)." I have serious doubts about the credibility of the source of this information. What are the parameters they are using to determine "second-oldest ruling dynasty in the world?" An obvious counter-example of a royal family that's been ruling longer is the Monarchy of the United Kingdom. I'm also skeptical of an organization who claims they can rank the most "influential" Muslims. Again, what are the criteria? What authority do they have in making this determination? The organization is also based in Jordan, so bias is also possible.
    • "Since Hussein had a daughter from his first marriage, Abdullah (as his eldest son) became heir apparent to the Jordanian throne under the 1952 constitution." The BBC source says nothing about a daughter from the first marriage, and also says nothing about the 1952 constitution.
    • "including a number of assassination attempts" While I don't have access to that particular version of Britannica, the Online Version doesn't mention anything about assassination attempts.
Update - I found the 2010 print Brittanica at a local library. The wording is very similar to the online version, with no mention of assassination attempts. Either provide another source for the assassination attempt section, or delete. Stedil (talk) 20:09, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
    • "Three more children followed Abdullah from Hussein's marriage to Princess Muna, two from the king's third marriage and four from his fourth. Abdullah has four brothers and six sisters—Princess Alia, Prince Faisal, Princess Aisha, Princess Zein, Princess Haya, Prince Ali, Prince Hamza, Prince Hashem, Princess Iman, Princess Raiyah—seven of whom are half-siblings." The source lists the sons and daughters of the last wife, as well as the names for all, but it doesn't specifically say which sons/daughters were born to which of the first three wives. Stedil (talk) 03:08, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Military Career[edit]

    • This section relies too heavily on information from Abdullah's personal webpage. While WP:PRIMARY and WP:BLPSELFPUB say that such information may be used, it cautions about basing entire passages on this information. Would it be possible to add additional, secondary sources to this section to verify the accuracy of the primary source? This section also needs to be rewritten in places, as the language too closely mirrors what is used in the personal webpage. Stedil (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
    • "served a year in Britain and West Germany as a troop commander in the 13th/18th Royal Hussars" this information is not in the source cited (Britannica). Stedil (talk) 20:13, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Accession and Coronation[edit]

    • In the first and second paragraphs, statements from the sources are lifted almost verbatim. per WP:YTCOPYRIGHT, rephrase and put in your own words without changing the essential meaning of the text.
    • Example of the above problem in the second paragraph - Source reads, "Hussein publicly criticized Hassan's management of Jordanian affairs and accused him of abusing his power as regent and crown prince" Wikipedia - "he publicly criticized his brother Prince Hassan's management of Jordanian internal affairs and accused him of abusing his powers as regent and crown prince." This is not summary - it is copying. Diversifying your sources within paragraphs may help eliminate this problem (most of the first paragraph is from one source. The entire second paragraph cites one source).
    • "Hussein, a respected statesman and renowned peacemaker" this is MOS:PUFF. Rephrase.
    • Final paragraph: is this blow-by-blow account of his coronation necessary? It comes entirely from the LA times article, and is in places nearly verbatim. Perhaps this section could be trimmed to cover only the essential details.
    • "the then youngest queen in the world." This phrase isn't in the cited source. Stedil (talk) 18:47, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

First Year[edit]

    • "his government is responsible before the Parliament" The meaning of this phrase is unclear. Please clarify.
Update - Ok, I still think it was unclear. I added some additional details that I think better clarify the relationship between parliament and the king based on the sources. Stedil (talk) 02:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
    • Is House of Deputies or House of Representatives the more accurate title for the lower chamber? Both sources use Deputies.
    • "a legacy of the 1990 Gulf War" Was it? Economist article seems to attribute the economic problems to a desert climate and lack of natural resources, not the war. Additional citation needed if this phrase remains.
    • "The king maintained his father's moderate pro-Western policy, supporting the 1994 Israel–Jordan peace treaty, but the royal transition prompted the United States and the Arab Gulf countries to increase their aid." I don't think 'but' is appropriate here, which would imply opposition to the first idea. Possible rephrasing along the lines of, "Because the king maintained his father's moderate pro-Western policy, including his support of the 1994 Israel-Jordan peace treaty, the United States and the Arab Gulf countries increased their aid during the royal transition."
    • "the country then had a population of 4.5 million." Is this relevant? It's also not in the source.
Update, per comment below - It's still unclear from reading this passage how the number of people in the country is connected to him going undercover. Consider rephrasing. Stedil (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
    • "The king exiled four Hamas officials to Qatar and barred 20 from political activity, closing their offices in Amman." If I'm reading the source correctly, it says that he pardoned (released the criminal charges against) 20 officials, but barred all Hamas members from political activity.
    • "The peace talks collapsed into a violent Palestinian uprising, the Second Intifada, in September 2000." This information is not in the cited source (written in 1999).
    • "Abdullah reportedly spearheaded efforts to defuse political violence to his west." This sentence is confusing. What is meant by "to his west?" Why is it "reportedly?" Does another source have more specific information about his "efforts?" Stedil (talk) 00:30, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Update, per comment below - Ok, I still think it was a little vague, so I did some sentence restructuring. It should be clearer now that the "efforts to defuse the political violence" is connected to the sentences earlier related to the Intifada in Israel. Stedil (talk) 00:58, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

2000s[edit]

    • First two sentences: in the autobio source, specify the page numbers where this information can be found.
    • "During the 1990 Gulf War, King Hussein's impartiality was seen as siding with Saddam Hussein, which alienated Jordan from its Arab Gulf allies and the Western world" King Hussein's impartiality was seen as The NYT source contradicts that statement. It says he "leaned toward" Saddam, giving examples of positive statements King Hussein made about Saddam, including describing him as "a friend." The NYT is also vague about how he was alienated, though I think by "personally shunned" the source just means the United States, or possibly other Western countries. I don't see any evidence that Jordan was alienated from "its Arab Gulf allies" in the article.
    • "his stance precipitated an economic crisis triggered by the suspension of foreign aid and investment to Jordan" This information is not in the cited source. The source doesn't say much of anything about the first Gulf War.
    • "criticized by the Islamist opposition groups Islamic Action Front (the largest such group in the country) and the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood" If my reading of the source is correct, the Islamic Action Front is the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Wiki sentence seems to suggest differently. Rephrase.
    • "Al-Qaeda in Iraq founder Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi claimed responsibility for a terrorist attack in Amman on 9 November 2005." NYT source said no one had claimed responsibility, though Zarqawi was the lead suspect (as of the morning after).
    • "deadliest attack in Jordan's history" not directly stated in the NYT article.
    • "What is coming is more vicious and bitter" NYT article states that this quote comes after a foiled April 2004 bomb plot, not after the successful 2005 attack.
    • "most have returned to Iraq," not in source cited. Stedil (talk) 07:21, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Arab Spring 2010–2014[edit]

    • First two sentences - Could you find a source that discusses these events directly? The source cited only briefly mentions Egypt and Tunisia without any context, and doesn't mention Libya and Syria at all.
    • "The decision, later revoked, triggered large-scale protests across the country." Both sources are WP:DEADREF. Fix, if possible.
    • "The regime calmed the unrest by introducing reforms, amending about one-third of the constitution and establishing the Independent Election Commission." Cited source says he formed a committee to discuss amending the constitution, not that he actually amended it. Source says nothing about an Election Commission. Source is from 2011, which is out of place in this paragraph dealing with protests in 2012. Stedil (talk) 01:40, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Regional Turmoil[edit]

    • ABC news source ("Abdullah says Syrian leader must go") is dead. perhaps it can be web archived, or maybe the BBC has the original report of the interview on their page.
    • "About the unrest in Syria and Iraq" source only mentions Iraq. Add source about Syria.
    • "One week after Jordan joined the international coalition against ISIL" not in source. Source mentions Israel planning to "take action" if the Islamic State infiltrates Jordan, not Jordan taking this action. Additional citation needed.
    • "Thousands rallied in Jordanian cities chanting "death to ISIS" and Abdullah cut short a visit to the United States, vowing an "earth-shattering" response." Not in the cited article. Check the "related articles" to the right of the cited one (on NYT website), as at least one of them may support these or similar statements. Also: Guardian article cited further down mentions "earth shattering" quote, though not attributed specifically to Abdullah.
    • "The airstrikes' death toll reportedly included a number of high-ranking ISIL officials." not in source cited.
    • "1.4 million Syrians, according to a November 2015 census" BBC source says 635,000 refugees registered with the UN. It mentions that Jordan claims "over a million" but doesn't mention specifics, and also mentions that figure includes Syrians who lived in Jordan before the refugee crisis and other non-refugees. The 1.4 million is stated by Abdullah in the interview, but I think the BBC article partially contradicts this figure. The census article (cited lower down in the paragraph) says the total Syrian population is 1.265 million.
    • "Proportional representation is seen as the first step toward establishing parliamentary governments in which parliamentary blocs, instead of the king, choose the prime minister" not in source cited. Stedil (talk) 02:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Economic and Political Reforms[edit]

    • "providing the foundation for the Aqaba Special Economic Zone Authority and Jordan's flourishing information and communications technology (ICT) sector." Not in the cited source.
    • "Abdullah set up five other special economic zones: Irbid, Ajloun, Mafraq, Ma'an and the Dead Sea" not in source.
    • "between 2004 and 2008" Not supported by source, which is an IMF report from 2006.
    • "continued to increase" this is vague. What time frame is being referenced for this sentence? Source lists data from 1996-2004, and it appears from the tables that foreign investment did not consistently increase during this time frame. In fact, if I'm reading the chart correctly, foreign investment was lower in 2004 than it was in 1997, though there was a spike in investment in between those years (2000 and 2001).
    • "Under the agreement, Jordanian exports to the United States increased by about twenty times from 2000 to 2012" Source is from 2001. It does include the amount of exports from 2000, but of course contains nothing about export numbers in 2012.
    • "according to a 2015 study" source cited is from 2014.
    • "Jordan was dependent on subsidized Iraqi oil for its energy." When was it dependent? The cited article talks about Jordan being reliant on foreign aid and energy subsidies, though it says the countries Jordan relies the most on are the U.S and Saudi Arabia. It mentions collapsed trade with Iraq, but not subsidized oil or energy.
    • "begin importing gas from Egypt in 2006" Source doesn't say when energy imports from Egypt began. Source references energy usage back to 2009.
    • "forcing Jordan to import expensive Saudi Arabian diesel to generate electricity and straining the country's finances" This statement is not supported by the source. The source doesn't mention anything about Jordan being "forced" to do anything. The article says nothing about "expensive Saudi Arabian diesel," only that Jordan receives foreign aid from the Saudis. There is no causal link in the article drawn between Saudi aid/subsidies and "straining the country's finances."
    • "tourist arrivals have fallen by over 60 percent since 2011" Be more specific in the time frame. From when to when? Article cited is from 2011 and is a dead link.
    • "$35.1 billion, 95 percent of the country's GDP" Where did these numbers come from? The source says 90 percent in 2015. Something I've noticed - The Carnegie Endowment Source provides links to other sources as it discusses this topic. Perhaps the information that is stated in the WP article can be found in the sources that the Carnegie source cites. If so, those cites should be cited instead of Carnegie. I've noticed that most of the information in the WP article that's attributed to Carnegie isn't actually explicitly stated in the Carnegie article.
    • This section is rather long. It seems like it could be split quite naturally into one section for "economic reforms" and another for "political reforms." Beginning with, "Abdullah was criticized during his early years for focusing on economic, rather than political, reform," everything that follows is political. Stedil (talk) 02:34, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Military[edit]

    • "Due to his military background, Abdullah believes in a powerful military and has followed a "quality over quantity" policy." Not in source. I think I saw this information, including a mention of "quality over quantity," in an earlier source. Find and place here.
    • "provide an indigenous capability for the supply of scientific and technical services to the Jordanian Armed Forces" This direct quote is not in the source. Rephrase or provide source with the direct quote.
    • "The bureau was successful, and Jordan's military sector thrived" not in source, and isn't neutral. Removal recommended.
    • "many of which are presented at the biennial international Special Operations Forces Exhibition security event" not in source.
    • "$72 million worth of products" not in source.
    • Janes.com ref is dead link.
    • "Its ground forces have acquired the Challenger 1 main battle tank, far superior to the T-54/T-55 and T-72 tanks which have traditionally dominated Arab armies" Several problems here: "far superior" sounds weasily and isn't supported by the source. "traditionally dominated" - same. Furthermore, article states that the original order for these tanks was placed in 1981, many years before Abdullah's reign. How is this relevant to Abdullah? Stedil (talk) 03:02, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Energy Sector[edit]

    • Source in the first sentence is dead.
    • "Vandalism of the Egyptian pipeline supplying Jordan strained the country's electrical company, whose debt increased substantially" This needs to be cited. I think it was cited earlier in the economic reform section, but it would be helpful if there is a source that makes the connection between the Egyptian pipeline vandalism and the 10 year economic plan.
    • "During the 2010s, Abdullah inaugurated the 117 MW Tafila Wind Farm and the 53 MW Shams Ma'an Power Plant" Not in source. This information is mentioned in other sources in this section.
    • "The kingdom has set a target of 10 percent of Jordan's electrical consumption, about 1800 MW, obtained from renewable resources by 2020" Not exactly. Source says Jordan's targeting 1800 MW by the end of 2018. The 10 percent target is by 2020. This implies that 1800 MW is not 10 percent of energy consumption. Rephrase.
    • "According to government officials, Israeli gas is the only option available" In the source, the government didn't say this. An economist outside the government said they had "limited options," but the government itself didn't say this. Actually, the government statement seems to imply the opposite, mentioning that the Israeli gas is part of efforts to diversify Jordan's sources of energy.
    • "saves Jordan about $5 million a day" source says 1 million. Stedil (talk) 23:31, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Religious Affairs[edit]

    • "The Islamic religious consensus was unprecedented in contemporary times" I couldn't find support for this statement in the source.
    • "eased restrictions and allowed men of all ages to pray at Al-Aqsa for the first time in months" copied word for word from source. Rephrase.
    • The custodianship of holy sites could be a potentially contentious issue. I recommend supplying information from third-party sources about this topic as much as possible. There is too much information cited directly to the Jordanian government. More information from outside sources confirming Jordan's custodianship dating back to 1924 would be helpful. Stedil (talk) 00:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Successor[edit]

    • "Hussein received the title on 2 July 2009" Source link error. Stedil (talk) 23:20, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Personal Life[edit]

(note: skipping ahead while I have access to the print Britannica).

    • "Rania, a marketing employee at Apple Inc. in Amman, met Abdullah at a dinner organized by his sister Princess Aisha in January 1993. They were engaged two months later, and were married in June 1993." None of this information is in the cited article. Source (Britannica) only mentions the year of marriage (1993) without any other specifics. Stedil (talk) 20:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
    • "Abdullah has listed skydiving, motorcycling, rally racing, scuba diving, adventure films, football, and science fiction as his interests and hobbies" None of this is in the source. I know BBC profile source in "Early Life" section had some of these, but not all. The Telegraph article/video mentions a few as well. Some of these may not need to be included if they're discussed in more detail, with appropriate citation, further down in the article, or if no reliable source can be found for them.
    • "(he is not a member of the Screen Actors Guild)" no mention of this in the source.
    • Is there a better source for info on the Discovery documentary than IMDB? Its use as a reference is discouraged on WP since its content is user-generated, per WP:IMDBREF.
    • "on a Harley-Davidson in July 2010" date not specified in source. Source implies perhaps more than one trip, but is vague on details.
    • "has said that the king is the Jordan national football team's biggest fan; Abdullah was the association's former president until he became king" not in the cited source. Source only says that his brother is the current head.
    • "Abdullah also enjoys stand-up comedy." source link error.
    • "38 military helicopters" number of helicopters not specified in source.Stedil (talk) 00:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Follow up[edit]

@Stedil: I double starred all the issues I addressed.

  • As for the Hashemites ruling Jordan since which year, the rule started at the end of 1920 and beginning of 1921, so you will find multiple conflicting sources most of which point towards 1921..
  • The Muslim 500 is a widely respected publication.[10] However, I have removed the second oldest ruling dynasty in the world claim as I didn't find any other sources supporting it.
  • I am removing info that doesn't seem to be mentioned in any source, even if true..
  • The military career section was paraphrased several times, this is probably the best possible version. Makeandtoss (talk) 22:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
@Makeandtoss:Ok, good work so far. Thanks for clarifying about the Muslim 500. Stedil (talk) 22:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
@Stedil:
  • The appointed government is responsible before the elected parliament.. This is just to clarify that Jordan is not an absolute monarchy.
  • The official English translation is House of Representatives representatives.jo/en
  • Its important to note the 4.5 million population, to point out to Jordan's limited potential when he assumed the throne, and since the population later doubled in the first 20 years of his reign.
  • To the west of Jordan.. No I didn't find any source that had detailed information about his diplomatic intervention. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Stedil: The autobiography does not have page numberings, but the content can be verified by searching "Greek islands".
  • There are no sources directly claiming Iraqi refugees have returned, so I referenced instead 2015 census that shows so. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
@Stedil: Jordan claims 1.4 million registered and unregistered Syrians, while UN says 600,000 are registered. Most sources just say "over a million" as compromise. Makeandtoss (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss: Heads up: I'm going to be very busy with work for the next few days. I'll do the next section on Saturday. Stedil (talk) 01:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

@Stedil: Addressed the issues. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:19, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
@Stedil: There aren't much sources discussing the custodianship. This source cuts off exactly where it begins to discuss it. Check if you can access p.138? Makeandtoss (talk) 17:30, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
@Makeandtoss: Hmmm...I did my own research here and the evidence of the connection between Hussein bin Ali and the holy sites is scant. The source above shows that Abdullah I claimed custodianship, but not that it was granted by the British Mandate. Sources I could find say that the Islamic holy sites were administered by the Supreme Muslim Council, which was controlled by local Arab groups, not the Jordanian government See here. This article here by the Times of Israel has the most complete history I could find, and says that Hussein bin Ali was appointed by the council. I would rewrite this section based on these three sources instead of the government. For future work (particularly if you have ambitions for Featured Article), I would look into getting access to print books for the sections of the WP article that discuss historical context. Stedil (talk) 20:59, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
@Stedil: Interesting. Particularly the $1 billion part.. I wonder why the reporting is so scant. Sure go ahead. Makeandtoss (talk) 22:11, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss: Ok, the initial review is complete. Now, I'm going to check to make sure all the review points were satisfactorily addressed. I'll put "update" next to any review points if I have additional thoughts on a topic. Stedil (talk) 01:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@Stedil: Okay, I did the rest. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Changes[edit]

It seems that I have to explain my changes in more detail, which is fair.

  1. Coronation is the act of placing a crown on the ruler's head. As far as I can tell, no such ceremony took place in Jordan. Colloquially, the word "coronation" is used in reference to any kind of investiture of a monarch, but that is confusing and far from accurate. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and Elizabeth II had coronations, while Abdullah and Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands had investitures.
  2. Rania is mentioned for the first time in the last sentence of Abdullah II of Jordan#Accession and coronation. She is introduced as "29-year-old Queen Rania". Who is that? Where did she come from? Is she his wife? His stepmother? His concubine? Did he marry her that day or at some point before the motorcade ride? We only get the answer to that at the last section of the prose.
  3. It might not be wise to mention his children next to terrorist attacks, but it's also not wise to mention his appointment of his eldest son as heir apparent before mentioning that son's birth and parentage. Featured royalty articles, including Elizabeth II, normally mention the births of children in the running text, chronologically.
  4. In general, this article would benefit from presenting information in a more chronological fashion. There is no point in mentioning a 1999 event (when Abdullah was 37) in Abdullah II of Jordan#Early life, which discusses the subject's childhood; or in mentioning the subject's 1993 marriage after 2018 events.
  5. If the copyright of File:King abdullah II.jpg is dubious, the issue should be raised at the Commons. There are other photographs of King Abdullah and Prince Hussein together. The photograph of King Hussein and Princess Muna is irrelevant to Abdullah II of Jordan#Personal life; neither of the two is mentioned in that section.

Surtsicna (talk) 12:28, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Surtsicna:
1-Coronation's wiki article: "The term generally also refers not only to the physical crowning but to the whole ceremony wherein the act of crowning occurs, along with the presentation of other items of regalia, marking the formal investiture of a monarch with regal power." And the source uses the term too.
2-Fixed
3-Trust me I do like chronology. But the King is not a mere ceremonial figurehead like Elizabeth. Leaving his issue to a standalone section is a much better idea. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:12, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
"The whole ceremony wherein the act of crowning occurs." Did any crowning occur? I.e. was any crown placed on Abdullah's head? If not, then there was no actual coronation. I am not even aware of any physical crown used by the Jordanian monarch. As I said, the word coronation is colloquially used to denote all kinds of investitures. I do not see why we should use it to refer to anything other than actual coronations when we have clearer alternative words.
Laying out the information chronologically would not make Abdullah look like a ceremonial figurehead. Cleopatra, William the Conqueror, Frederick III, German Emperor and Barack Obama (all FAs) were not ceremonial figureheads, yet their marriages are not relegated to the last section. I do not feel strongly about the children, but at the very least Rania should be properly introduced before she is suddenly "the youngest queen in the world". Abdullah's marriage, taking place before his accession, raised some eyebrows, if I remember correctly, and is a noteworthy event in his life. She is not just a footnote in his life and reign. Surtsicna (talk) 17:00, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
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